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		<title>By: Barry Sloane</title>
		<link>http://www.evanyoungblood.com/flying/ipad-electronic-flight-bag/comment-page-1/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Sloane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have waited a long time for a product which will reduce the paper in the cockpit.  I feel the giant leap has ( finally ) arrived with the iPad.
In my particular situation, I live and fly mostly in the Middle East ( Qatar ).  We have a general aviation system which is populated by a small number of very dedicated pilot/owners, but we are growing in numbers.  I am looking forward to eventually returning to North America and being able to enjoy these systems, but for now it is the Middle East.
Are you aware of any plans for the EFB providers to expand their service to include Sectional Charts, LE, HE, A/FD, Approach Plate, etc. data for the Middle East, North Africa and Europe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have waited a long time for a product which will reduce the paper in the cockpit.  I feel the giant leap has ( finally ) arrived with the iPad.<br />
In my particular situation, I live and fly mostly in the Middle East ( Qatar ).  We have a general aviation system which is populated by a small number of very dedicated pilot/owners, but we are growing in numbers.  I am looking forward to eventually returning to North America and being able to enjoy these systems, but for now it is the Middle East.<br />
Are you aware of any plans for the EFB providers to expand their service to include Sectional Charts, LE, HE, A/FD, Approach Plate, etc. data for the Middle East, North Africa and Europe?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee is still in the tower, and I love flying when he&#039;s up there. Overall a great guy, and one heckuva controller.</description>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi evan! greetings! nice site! amazing to find a pilot who flies between those two airports. my wife and i learned to fly in carbondale and marion [i worked at SIU for awhile].

we wanted to give a thumbs up on the review. we have done our own research on this topic. what we&#039;ve found in terms of features is the following:

1. georeferenced maps. the SkyCharts pro are a good compromise of all maps [sectionals, low/high IFR, and approach plates] with en route aspects using a good, switchable moving map. clearly the big expense is moving map software that georeferences on the approach plate itself, which SkyCharts hasn&#039;t done. so if all one wants is a moving map, SkyCharts is it for the price: $20.

2. georeferenced maps PLUS georeferenced IFR approach plates. only two app developers do this, Beacon: North America and WingX, both using Seattle Avionics package to georeference the approach plates [$99 for one year subscription]. Beacon: North America gets terrible reviews of clunky, poorly adapted software for the iPad, with loads of complaints on crashes and slow updates. The company released an update on 12/17/10, but I&#039;ve not seen it reviewed since that update. However, it does have some neat 3D features beyond the maps and their own proprietary view, so it has potential. WingX also has the georeferenced plates but does NOT have standard VFR or IFR maps, focusing only on its own proprietary view. rumor has it that it will come out with VFR/IFR maps soon. however, both of these app sets are pricey: compared with the SkyCharts Pro program at $20, these are ~$80/yr and $100/yr *just* for the updatable moving map, *plus another* ~$100/yr to seattle avionics for the georeferenced approach plates. And these are are annual fees compared with SkyCharts one time payment.

3. other apps. there are other apps out there as well, ForeFlight being the most famous. although foreflight does a god job for planning, has a moving map, it does not have any georeferenced approach plates. For $75/yr for the basic program doesn&#039;t go beyond standard Duats or other planning software you might be used to. Foreflight does get kudos for a good user interface, but again, if you are used to other planning software programs you like, and because Foreflight doesn&#039;t do georeferenced approach plates, we didn&#039;t feel it was worth spending the extra money. 
     Other programs like AvCharts ($20) don&#039;t give you anything but non-georeferenced IFR charts. AeroCharts ($25) uses it&#039;s own proprietary maps, not standard charts (although things look pretty clear), and has IFR plates but no georeferencing, iChart with VFR and IFR ($50 for the service, don&#039;t get fooled by the &quot;free&quot; app), is just terrible, no one likes it, and it crashes all the time, and has no georeferencing.

4. notes. Finally, jotting down notes on your approach plates is a standard thing we all do. instead of using Foreflight&#039;s terrible scratch pad (which doesn&#039;t allow you to write on the plate itself) or going with an inferior program that ONLY allows writing on plates but provides nothing else (AvChart), we use the AOPA or FAA site on the ipad to get the plates we want, then use PDF Notes app to open them and mark them up. using the ipad multi-tasking feature, we use SkyCharts en route, then as we get vectored for the approach, switch over to the plate/PDF Notes. 

have a great time flying! CAVU and give our best to the folks at KMWA! [lee is the guy we used to know in the tower there].

bryan and shannon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi evan! greetings! nice site! amazing to find a pilot who flies between those two airports. my wife and i learned to fly in carbondale and marion [i worked at SIU for awhile].</p>
<p>we wanted to give a thumbs up on the review. we have done our own research on this topic. what we&#8217;ve found in terms of features is the following:</p>
<p>1. georeferenced maps. the SkyCharts pro are a good compromise of all maps [sectionals, low/high IFR, and approach plates] with en route aspects using a good, switchable moving map. clearly the big expense is moving map software that georeferences on the approach plate itself, which SkyCharts hasn&#8217;t done. so if all one wants is a moving map, SkyCharts is it for the price: $20.</p>
<p>2. georeferenced maps PLUS georeferenced IFR approach plates. only two app developers do this, Beacon: North America and WingX, both using Seattle Avionics package to georeference the approach plates [$99 for one year subscription]. Beacon: North America gets terrible reviews of clunky, poorly adapted software for the iPad, with loads of complaints on crashes and slow updates. The company released an update on 12/17/10, but I&#8217;ve not seen it reviewed since that update. However, it does have some neat 3D features beyond the maps and their own proprietary view, so it has potential. WingX also has the georeferenced plates but does NOT have standard VFR or IFR maps, focusing only on its own proprietary view. rumor has it that it will come out with VFR/IFR maps soon. however, both of these app sets are pricey: compared with the SkyCharts Pro program at $20, these are ~$80/yr and $100/yr *just* for the updatable moving map, *plus another* ~$100/yr to seattle avionics for the georeferenced approach plates. And these are are annual fees compared with SkyCharts one time payment.</p>
<p>3. other apps. there are other apps out there as well, ForeFlight being the most famous. although foreflight does a god job for planning, has a moving map, it does not have any georeferenced approach plates. For $75/yr for the basic program doesn&#8217;t go beyond standard Duats or other planning software you might be used to. Foreflight does get kudos for a good user interface, but again, if you are used to other planning software programs you like, and because Foreflight doesn&#8217;t do georeferenced approach plates, we didn&#8217;t feel it was worth spending the extra money.<br />
     Other programs like AvCharts ($20) don&#8217;t give you anything but non-georeferenced IFR charts. AeroCharts ($25) uses it&#8217;s own proprietary maps, not standard charts (although things look pretty clear), and has IFR plates but no georeferencing, iChart with VFR and IFR ($50 for the service, don&#8217;t get fooled by the &#8220;free&#8221; app), is just terrible, no one likes it, and it crashes all the time, and has no georeferencing.</p>
<p>4. notes. Finally, jotting down notes on your approach plates is a standard thing we all do. instead of using Foreflight&#8217;s terrible scratch pad (which doesn&#8217;t allow you to write on the plate itself) or going with an inferior program that ONLY allows writing on plates but provides nothing else (AvChart), we use the AOPA or FAA site on the ipad to get the plates we want, then use PDF Notes app to open them and mark them up. using the ipad multi-tasking feature, we use SkyCharts en route, then as we get vectored for the approach, switch over to the plate/PDF Notes. </p>
<p>have a great time flying! CAVU and give our best to the folks at KMWA! [lee is the guy we used to know in the tower there].</p>
<p>bryan and shannon</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.evanyoungblood.com/flying/ipad-electronic-flight-bag/comment-page-1/#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly recommend downloading any charts your trip crosses before heading out. This ensures the appropriate A/FD pages, approach plates, and charts are available. If the iPad can&#039;t connect to the Internet (via WiFi or 3G, if equipped), you will only be able to see chart, plate, and A/FD data that has been previously downloaded into it&#039;s memory.

There is no reason you have to turn off the WiFi and 3G radios before flying. Officially, the FAA requires those radios to be turned off -- don&#039;t ask me for the exact reg. You&#039;ll also save some battery by leaving the radios off. Same goes for the bluetooth radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly recommend downloading any charts your trip crosses before heading out. This ensures the appropriate A/FD pages, approach plates, and charts are available. If the iPad can&#8217;t connect to the Internet (via WiFi or 3G, if equipped), you will only be able to see chart, plate, and A/FD data that has been previously downloaded into it&#8217;s memory.</p>
<p>There is no reason you have to turn off the WiFi and 3G radios before flying. Officially, the FAA requires those radios to be turned off &#8212; don&#8217;t ask me for the exact reg. You&#8217;ll also save some battery by leaving the radios off. Same goes for the bluetooth radio.</p>
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		<title>By: John Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.evanyoungblood.com/flying/ipad-electronic-flight-bag/comment-page-1/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>John Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Sky Charts Pro on the IPAD   If making a trip should the trip be downloaded at home on the WIFI and then used when needed while flying.  I was unable to get this info on first trip locally.   Do I need to turn off the 3G and WIFI before starting the trip?  Thanks, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Sky Charts Pro on the IPAD   If making a trip should the trip be downloaded at home on the WIFI and then used when needed while flying.  I was unable to get this info on first trip locally.   Do I need to turn off the 3G and WIFI before starting the trip?  Thanks, John</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.evanyoungblood.com/flying/ipad-electronic-flight-bag/comment-page-1/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colyn, Sure!. I must mention that I don&#039;t own a 696, I fly with a 496. I have a few friends with a 696 as well as my primary flight instructor. My CFI uses his in my plane every time we fly. I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re flying, but in my Cherokee Six, I use the yoke mount for the 496 and I love it. The unit fits very comfortably between the yoke&#039;s hand grips, and I find it in the right place, and not blocking anything. I have never mounted the 496 in any other way, but I can&#039;t imagine that I&#039;d like a windshield mount, as the switch panel on the Six is under the pilot&#039;s side window.

What strikes me about the 696 is how tall it is, and how heavy. I can actually feel the difference in control pressures when my CFI has his mounted to the right yoke. This has never been an issue when flying, but it amazes me how different the controls feel on the ground. In my plane, if my 496 were any taller, I believe it would begin to cover the DG, and were it to extend below the yoke too far, it would hit my knees. 

I suppose to sum up, I don&#039;t see a need for the 696. I get my plates on my iPad for free, and the 496 is already in the inventory, so financially it makes sense to me not to go to the 696. I also don&#039;t find myself wanting more screen space on the 496, I have the information I need, easily accessible.

That being said, the dial on the 696 is a HUGE UI improvement over the D-pad on the 496. Were Garmin to make a 496 with the dial, I&#039;d probably be pretty tempted to upgrade.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colyn, Sure!. I must mention that I don&#8217;t own a 696, I fly with a 496. I have a few friends with a 696 as well as my primary flight instructor. My CFI uses his in my plane every time we fly. I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re flying, but in my Cherokee Six, I use the yoke mount for the 496 and I love it. The unit fits very comfortably between the yoke&#8217;s hand grips, and I find it in the right place, and not blocking anything. I have never mounted the 496 in any other way, but I can&#8217;t imagine that I&#8217;d like a windshield mount, as the switch panel on the Six is under the pilot&#8217;s side window.</p>
<p>What strikes me about the 696 is how tall it is, and how heavy. I can actually feel the difference in control pressures when my CFI has his mounted to the right yoke. This has never been an issue when flying, but it amazes me how different the controls feel on the ground. In my plane, if my 496 were any taller, I believe it would begin to cover the DG, and were it to extend below the yoke too far, it would hit my knees. </p>
<p>I suppose to sum up, I don&#8217;t see a need for the 696. I get my plates on my iPad for free, and the 496 is already in the inventory, so financially it makes sense to me not to go to the 696. I also don&#8217;t find myself wanting more screen space on the 496, I have the information I need, easily accessible.</p>
<p>That being said, the dial on the 696 is a HUGE UI improvement over the D-pad on the 496. Were Garmin to make a 496 with the dial, I&#8217;d probably be pretty tempted to upgrade.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Colyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, can you comment more on the 696 being too big?
Currently I have a 396 that I have on a ram mount stuck to the left side of the windshield.   works great.  It&#039;s close to my eyes and hand.   I was thinking of mounting a 696 the same way.

Colyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, can you comment more on the 696 being too big?<br />
Currently I have a 396 that I have on a ram mount stuck to the left side of the windshield.   works great.  It&#8217;s close to my eyes and hand.   I was thinking of mounting a 696 the same way.</p>
<p>Colyn</p>
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		<title>By: Bob R.</title>
		<link>http://www.evanyoungblood.com/flying/ipad-electronic-flight-bag/comment-page-1/#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Evan.  I appreciate your quick response.

The Quadra is a good unit that was released way before it should have been and that is probably why I give it a bad rap.  The developers are working diligently to correct the faults that should have not been there upon release. It does have promise for sure.  They also have an EFB version with geosynched approach plates, taxi diagrams, enroute charts and sectionals, but the Quadra screen is too small for sectionals.  Maybe OK for approach plates and enroute charts.  It&#039;s basically a PDA.

I think you have a good plan.  Use the Ipad and Sky Charts strictly for EFB and leave the GPS to something else.  I&#039;m strictly VFR....for now, so I have a different need than you have for sure.

BTW...nice web page and nice blog.  Keep &#039;em flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Evan.  I appreciate your quick response.</p>
<p>The Quadra is a good unit that was released way before it should have been and that is probably why I give it a bad rap.  The developers are working diligently to correct the faults that should have not been there upon release. It does have promise for sure.  They also have an EFB version with geosynched approach plates, taxi diagrams, enroute charts and sectionals, but the Quadra screen is too small for sectionals.  Maybe OK for approach plates and enroute charts.  It&#8217;s basically a PDA.</p>
<p>I think you have a good plan.  Use the Ipad and Sky Charts strictly for EFB and leave the GPS to something else.  I&#8217;m strictly VFR&#8230;.for now, so I have a different need than you have for sure.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;nice web page and nice blog.  Keep &#8216;em flying.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen the Quadra. I can tell you that I&#039;m extremely happy with SkyCharts on the iPad.
I use a Garmin GPSMap 496 on the yoke and, for IFR legal reasons, a Garmin GPS 155XL in the panel. I feel that with the 496, especially being backed-up by the 155, that I don&#039;t need a third GPS, and I don&#039;t keep SkyCharts on while cruising, only when planning the approach, actually flying the approach, and when flight planning.
The iPad is a bit big for a primary GPS, also the GPS unit in it isn&#039;t up to aviation standards, like the 496 is (and presumably the Quadra). This is one of the reasons I don&#039;t like the 696 from Garmin, it&#039;s too big. The 496 sits comfortably on the yoke and has everything I need at a glance. If I need more information or an approach plate, I just grab the iPad and put it over my kneeboard.
Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the Quadra. I can tell you that I&#8217;m extremely happy with SkyCharts on the iPad.<br />
I use a Garmin GPSMap 496 on the yoke and, for IFR legal reasons, a Garmin GPS 155XL in the panel. I feel that with the 496, especially being backed-up by the 155, that I don&#8217;t need a third GPS, and I don&#8217;t keep SkyCharts on while cruising, only when planning the approach, actually flying the approach, and when flight planning.<br />
The iPad is a bit big for a primary GPS, also the GPS unit in it isn&#8217;t up to aviation standards, like the 496 is (and presumably the Quadra). This is one of the reasons I don&#8217;t like the 696 from Garmin, it&#8217;s too big. The 496 sits comfortably on the yoke and has everything I need at a glance. If I need more information or an approach plate, I just grab the iPad and put it over my kneeboard.<br />
Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an Anywhere Map Quadra.  Basically dissatisfied with it for many reasons.  I was thinking of getting the iPad and Sky Charts.  I&#039;m also afraid of being disappointed again.

To replace the Quadra, I&#039;d need the 3G modle w/GPS.  Do you have a GPS that you use seeing you have the WiFi version of the iPad.  I&#039;ve read reviews on the Sky Charts using the iPad GPS and I have some concerns there.

I guess I have to decide on keeping the Quadra for GPS and maybe using the iPad for my EFB.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an Anywhere Map Quadra.  Basically dissatisfied with it for many reasons.  I was thinking of getting the iPad and Sky Charts.  I&#8217;m also afraid of being disappointed again.</p>
<p>To replace the Quadra, I&#8217;d need the 3G modle w/GPS.  Do you have a GPS that you use seeing you have the WiFi version of the iPad.  I&#8217;ve read reviews on the Sky Charts using the iPad GPS and I have some concerns there.</p>
<p>I guess I have to decide on keeping the Quadra for GPS and maybe using the iPad for my EFB.  What do you think?</p>
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